Autographs Juventus players on my t-shirt???

[gelu_ziom]

The majority of Spanish and Italian clubs (AC Milan, Juve, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia etc), send out fake (secretarial) autographs. This is a well known fact amongst football collectors.

The signatures they send look nothing like any known authentics, and sometimes even contain the most blatant mistakes. If these autographs were the real thing, then all the dealers would be writing to them en masse and selling the pieces for an extremely high price - but this doesn't happen, as (I presume) the dealers know that they are fake too.

It's your choice to believe what you like but we are just being kind enough to inform you of what all experienced football collectors know - that Juve are fond of sending secretarials!

Haha . You are so funny ;D.

If you haven't got any notion about it, don't express your opinion.

This is a well known fact amongst football collectors.

Yeah? Probably amongst "collectors" only from fanmail.biz.

No, its not just those on fanmail.biz Knowledgeable collectors from around the world, as well as the most respected dealers are all in agreement about this.

The majority of Spanish and Italian clubs do send secretarials, this is well known FACT. Just because you choose to live in cloud cuckoo land and believe they're authentic, doesnt mean they are.

Compare the TTM Barcelona/Real/Milan/Juve autographs to known authentics, and they dont compare at all. Most are a joke, and a lot even make mistakes and do things the wrong way.

If YOU "haven't got any notion about it, don't expres your opinion".

Wow...

Have you got any reason to prove your opinion? (reason, that 'all collectors claim that it's fake' isn't enough for me)
Well known fact? On fanmail - of course!

Look at this:
http://glenyang66.fotopic.net/p49093828.html (autograph received from Chelsea)
http://tomeksgallery.fotopic.net/p35183069.html (autograph received from FC Barcelona)

The same?

It's only one example.

Of course, you will tell me now, that Chelsea are sending fakes too. Don't you?

[Mr Kennedy]

Wow...

Have you got any reason to prove your opinion? (reason, that 'all collectors claim that it's fake' isn't enough for me)
Well known fact? On fanmail - of course!

Look at this:
http://glenyang66.fotopic.net/p49093828.html (autograph received from Chelsea)
http://tomeksgallery.fotopic.net/p35183069.html (autograph received from FC Barcelona)

The same?

It's only one example.

Of course, you will tell me now, that Chelsea are sending fakes too. Don't you?

Your ignorance is becoming annoying.

Yes I have "reasont o prove my opinion" - its called common sense. Like I said, compare them to known authentics. The majority are really poor attempts. Yes some get closer than others (like Gudjohnsen, but even then it can be argued there are differences in sizes of parts etc) but just because they look similar doesnt mean they're real!

Using your argument of Chelsea, go compare Chelsea Decos to Barcelona Decos, totally different, I wonder why?

And no, Im not going to say Chelsea send fakes - some of them are questionable though, and they used to send stamps, so its not like Chelsea's TTM have always been legit anyway.

Whatever I say or do isnt going to change your opinion anyway, as you're clearly in denial.

If I thought there was even a tiny chance any of those clubs send authentics, I'd have sent to them many times.

[gelu_ziom]

Chelsea Deco: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m61/ ... C04230.jpg
FC Barcelona Deco: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p47335235.html

It's the same autograph. It has got of course some differences, but people will never sign twice without differences.

"ignorance"... I'm collector for about 1,5 year and it what I know, it's mine ;]

Another example:
Barca's Thuram: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p48509393.html
AC Parma's Thuram: http://supaolo.fotopic.net/p39434461.html

Barca's Henry: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p48509392.html
Arsenal's Henry: http://www.andy316.fpic.co.uk/p54865221.html

But whatever I'll say, it is naturally nonsense for you, and your friends from this page.

[Mr Kennedy]

Chelsea Deco: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m61/ ... C04230.jpg
FC Barcelona Deco: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p47335235.html

It's the same autograph. It has got of course some differences, but people will never sign twice without differences.

"ignorance"... I'm collector for about 1,5 year and it what I know, it's mine ;]

Another example:
Barca's Thuram: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p48509393.html
AC Parma's Thuram: http://supaolo.fotopic.net/p39434461.html

Barca's Henry: http://gelusgallery.fotopic.net/p48509392.html
Arsenal's Henry: http://www.andy316.fpic.co.uk/p54865221.html

But whatever I'll say, it is naturally nonsense for you, and your friends from this page.

Ive been a collector for over 10 years so dont try and make out your 1.5 years of experience means you're right and Im wrong

Deco - NOT the same autograph at all. I dont expect it to be identical (Im not an idiot) but they are quite obviously not signed by the same hand.

Thuram - Again quite clearly different, are you even looking at what you're posting?

Henry - LOL no, seriously, you must be joking.

You quite obviously dont know what you're talking about, anyone can see they're not done by the same person, you have to look for more than half a second before making an opinion.

I give up - I get the feeling you're just here to protect your friend, or you're just in denial - or both. Or maybe you just made a second account to fight your corner.

I'm done with this thread, I'm wasting my time.

[rony198610]

Of course, you will tell me now, that Chelsea are sending fakes too. Don't you?[/quote]


i can tell you, such as Chelsea, Man U also send some fakes, but only a little,

here are 100% fake:
http://beckhamchamp.fotopic.net/p47702170.html
http://beckhamchamp.fotopic.net/p47702120.html
http://beckhamchamp.fotopic.net/p47701613.html
http://beckhamchamp.fotopic.net/p47702116.html

Man U sent some Henrik Larsson, Gary Neville and so on also fake

[zioomus]

I, a small expert probably should not speak, seeing your "wisdom", it was heavily hurt that someone has a T-shirt with the signatures and you do not? Really, I regret you. Sorry for my English, I AM POLISH! I agree 100% user gelu_ziom, because he says the truth, and your bilge water are collected from your rich imagination.

Pozdrowienia dla kumatych!

[Mr Kennedy]

I, a small expert probably should not speak, seeing your "wisdom", it was heavily hurt that someone has a T-shirt with the signatures and you do not? Really, I regret you. Sorry for my English, I AM POLISH! I agree 100% user gelu_ziom, because he says the truth, and your bilge water are collected from your rich imagination.

Pozdrowienia dla kumatych!

You're saying I'm jealous? Why would I be? If I wanted to I could easily send a shirt and get it back signed, but seeing as I dont WANT to as I DONT WANT secretarials to RUIN a perfectly good shirt, exactly why would I be jealous?

gelu_ziom is NOT telling the truth, hes wrong, so are you - end of.

So many people are in denial here its ridiculous. In fact, I think a Mod should check that its not the same person with several accounts here arguing.

If you want to live in fantasy land, then good luck to you. Some of us only collect GENUINE autographs, and dont want FAKES.

[autographfanno1]

I, a small expert probably should not speak, seeing your "wisdom", it was heavily hurt that someone has a T-shirt with the signatures and you do not? Really, I regret you. Sorry for my English, I AM POLISH! I agree 100% user gelu_ziom, because he says the truth, and your bilge water are collected from your rich imagination.

Pozdrowienia dla kumatych!

You're saying I'm jealous? Why would I be? If I wanted to I could easily send a shirt and get it back signed, but seeing as I dont WANT to as I DONT WANT secretarials to RUIN a perfectly good shirt, exactly why would I be jealous?

gelu_ziom is NOT telling the truth, hes wrong, so are you - end of.

So many people are in denial here its ridiculous. In fact, I think a Mod should check that its not the same person with several accounts here arguing.

If you want to live in fantasy land, then good luck to you. Some of us only collect GENUINE autographs, and dont want FAKES.

I have checked, and they are different IPs.

However, this person just can't accept well-known autograph experts are wrong.
If they were authentic they would get swamped with shirts daily and the players would not have time to train.
gelu_ziom is lying.
The shirt is a fake.

[jasonw]

I have been suspicious about some of the autographs Chelsea sends out for a while; perhaps a new topic should be made regarding this matter. However, some of your attitudes are worrying and it is clear that you cannot present your argument in a mature way and therefore is contributing to the prevention of an intellectual discussion to take place :neutral:

Change your attitude, start being more mature then we will talk about Chelsea sending fakes.

Jason.

[Shambler]

Man U also send some fakes, but only a little,

United do not send fakes. Rooney and Giggs send stamped club cards, but the rest of the team/management send authentically signed club cards. I deleted your suggestion in another topic that Nemenja Vidic sends 'fakes' too because you quite frankly, have no idea what you are on about.