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Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by Spookii » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:50 am

Jesus drank wine and if you read your Bible you would see that it is not a sin to drink at all, as long as it's done in moderation. Wine is actully mentioned a lot, however the only time that it becomes a sin is when it is abused.

And for proof...

Melchizedek, whom we believe to have been Jesus Christ Himself, brought some wine to His meeting with Abram: "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High" (Genesis 14:18)

When giving his blessing to his son Jacob (who he thought was Esau), Isaac drank wine and asked for plenty of wine as a blessing from God:

He said, "Bring it near to me, and I will eat of my son's game, so that my soul may bless you." So he brought it near to him, and he ate; and he brought him wine, and he drank. . . . "Therefore may God give you of the dew of heaven, of the fatness of the earth, and plenty of grain and wine." (Genesis 27:25, 28)

Is it likely that Isaac would have asked God to bless his son with an abundance of wine if he knew that He forbade it? Wine was included in other blessings too. Through His servant Moses, God told the Israelites that wine would be included in the many blessings He would pour out upon them if they would obey Him:

And He will love you and bless you and multiply you; He will also bless the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your land, your grain and your new wine and your oil, . . . in the land of which He swore to your fathers to give you. (Deuteronomy 7:13)

Then Israel shall dwell in safety, the fountain of Jacob alone, in a land of grain and new wine; His heavens shall also drop dew. (Deuteronomy 33:28)

Here we read of wine promised by God for the Israelites as a blessing for obedience. Conversely, if they were to disobey Him, He solemnly warned them that He would take their wine and vineyards away from them as a curse:

You shall plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. . . . And they [fierce foreign invaders] shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, . . . until they have destroyed you. (Deuteronomy 28:39, 51)

Numerous scriptures in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy God commands that wine be used in Israel's drink offerings to Him. In addition, God's people are commanded to pay to Him His tithe of all the wine they produced: "The firstfruits of your grain and your new wine and your oil, . . . you shall give him" (Deuteronomy 18:4).

In His instructions on the proper use of the festival tithe (or "second tithe," as we often refer to it today) for the celebration of His feasts, God authorizes the purchase and use of wine and similar beverages (Hebrew shekar: "strong drink" or intensely alcoholic liquor):

And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, . . . that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. . . . And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household. (Deuteronomy 14:23, 26)

And in the New Testament you will see...

It is certainly true that drunkenness and excess of alcohol are as clearly condemned in many New Testament scriptures as they are in the Old (see Matthew 24:49; Luke 12:45; 21:34; Romans 13:13; I Corinthians 5:11; 6:10; 11:21; Ephesians 5:18; Galatians 5:21; I Timothy 3:3, 8; Titus 1:7; 2:3; I Peter 4:3).

Jesus and His apostles mention wine and other strong drink numerous times in the New Testament, but nowhere do any of them say that moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages is wrong. A few verses strongly indicate that Jesus Himself liked the occasional glass of wine:

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, "He has a demon." The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, "Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!" (Luke 7:33-34)

Jesus drank wine with His disciples at His last Passover service, promising that He would again join them in a glass of wine after their resurrection: "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom" (Matthew 26:29)

The apostle Paul follows His Master's lead on this subject. In the same letter to Timothy in which he soundly condemned excessive alcohol consumption (I Timothy 3:3, 8), Paul advises him to drink some wine to help ease his chronic stomach problems: "No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities" (I Timothy 5:23)



Clearly you have no idea of what you are talking about, you need to read the Bible again. =/

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by dancingirl1 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:54 am

johnnylightninglives wrote: This post was just ridiculous and who wants to hear another religious opinion and people can drink if they want and its none of this original posters business and this site is about autograph collecting not one sided and jaded Christian views from this weirdo.
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Two things I try never to talk about. 1) Religion and 2) Politics because it can get really ugly.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by johnnylightninglives » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:44 am

dancingirl1 wrote:
shava123 wrote: I'd like to think as a Christian I use my money in a way that God would be pleased, I think just using common sense should do it. I wish you would consider going to the nearest Church of Christ and study with them and hopefully be baptized, as there really is a God who truly loves you and wants only the best for you. Phil from Duck Dynasty had a serious problem with alcohol and almost lost his family from it and this is why as his brother in Christ I feel I need to talk to him and hope he changes his mind and stops the venture of selling alcohol which almost done him in. Ducks are a great food and they share their food with many people and that helps some who have no food to have a great meal from hunting.
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Please don't come on here to make a post about Duck Dynasty THEN tell people not to be who they are. Not everyone believes and you aren't gonna change anything. If this continues, I'm gonna get this thread removed and have you taken off this board. This is for autographs and collecting, NOT judging religious beliefs. And you don't want people to feel like you are attacking them for how they are. {down}
This post was just ridiculous and who wants to hear another religious opinion and people can drink if they want and its none of this original posters business and this site is about autograph collecting not one sided and jaded Christian views from this weirdo.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by dancingirl1 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:38 am

shava123 wrote: I'd like to think as a Christian I use my money in a way that God would be pleased, I think just using common sense should do it. I wish you would consider going to the nearest Church of Christ and study with them and hopefully be baptized, as there really is a God who truly loves you and wants only the best for you. Phil from Duck Dynasty had a serious problem with alcohol and almost lost his family from it and this is why as his brother in Christ I feel I need to talk to him and hope he changes his mind and stops the venture of selling alcohol which almost done him in. Ducks are a great food and they share their food with many people and that helps some who have no food to have a great meal from hunting.
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Please don't come on here to make a post about Duck Dynasty THEN tell people not to be who they are. Not everyone believes and you aren't gonna change anything. If this continues, I'm gonna get this thread removed and have you taken off this board. This is for autographs and collecting, NOT judging religious beliefs. And you don't want people to feel like you are attacking them for how they are. {down}

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by shava123 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:02 am

johnnylightninglives wrote:
shava123 wrote:
dylans dad wrote:Didnt Jesus turn water into WINE ? Wow you think peope are going to quit liking Duck Dynasty over what they do in there personal lives? Its not like they killed somebody. If it was good enough for Jesus I cant see where you should have a problem. You dont want to drink dont drink who cares.
As a Christian I do not condone alcohol at all because of all the problems it causes, I didn't say can for a reason because it always causes problems in some form or another. Alcoholism, drunk driving, diseases, lost of family and on and on. So as a Christian and Phil being a brother in Christ it is my duty out of Christian love to rebuke him and hope he changes his mind, this would and is my prayer.
LOL I guess like most Christians the money is more important to them than the values haha As a atheist myself I don't mind the drinking of alcohol but I do find it funny how you find it not ok for them to promote or drink alcohol yet its ok to kill ducks by the thousands and make duck calls for luring in gods creatures to be slaughtered... Now that makes no sence to me can you explain this one ? :?
I'd like to think as a Christian I use my money in a way that God would be pleased, I think just using common sense should do it. I wish you would consider going to the nearest Church of Christ and study with them and hopefully be baptized, as there really is a God who truly loves you and wants only the best for you. Phil from Duck Dynasty had a serious problem with alcohol and almost lost his family from it and this is why as his brother in Christ I feel I need to talk to him and hope he changes his mind and stops the venture of selling alcohol which almost done him in. Ducks are a great food and they share their food with many people and that helps some who have no food to have a great meal from hunting.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by johnnylightninglives » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:11 pm

shava123 wrote:
dylans dad wrote:Didnt Jesus turn water into WINE ? Wow you think peope are going to quit liking Duck Dynasty over what they do in there personal lives? Its not like they killed somebody. If it was good enough for Jesus I cant see where you should have a problem. You dont want to drink dont drink who cares.
As a Christian I do not condone alcohol at all because of all the problems it causes, I didn't say can for a reason because it always causes problems in some form or another. Alcoholism, drunk driving, diseases, lost of family and on and on. So as a Christian and Phil being a brother in Christ it is my duty out of Christian love to rebuke him and hope he changes his mind, this would and is my prayer.
LOL I guess like most Christians the money is more important to them than the values haha As a atheist myself I don't mind the drinking of alcohol but I do find it funny how you find it not ok for them to promote or drink alcohol yet its ok to kill ducks by the thousands and make duck calls for luring in gods creatures to be slaughtered... Now that makes no sence to me can you explain this one ? :?

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by shava123 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:54 pm

dylans dad wrote:Didnt Jesus turn water into WINE ? Wow you think peope are going to quit liking Duck Dynasty over what they do in there personal lives? Its not like they killed somebody. If it was good enough for Jesus I cant see where you should have a problem. You dont want to drink dont drink who cares.
As a Christian I do not condone alcohol at all because of all the problems it causes, I didn't say can for a reason because it always causes problems in some form or another. Alcoholism, drunk driving, diseases, lost of family and on and on. So as a Christian and Phil being a brother in Christ it is my duty out of Christian love to rebuke him and hope he changes his mind, this would and is my prayer.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by shava123 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:50 pm

First of all Phil is a recovering alcoholic and a preacher. As a member of the same church I can assure you this is something we wouldn't do. Just because Jesus turned water into wine doesn't mean he consumed any of it. When Jesus took of the Lord's supper it probably was fermented because they had no way of keeping grape juice from fermenting back then, besides he took it in a manner of worship , not to get drunk.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by dylans dad » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:00 am

Didnt Jesus turn water into WINE ? Wow you think peope are going to quit liking Duck Dynasty over what they do in there personal lives? Its not like they killed somebody. If it was good enough for Jesus I cant see where you should have a problem. You dont want to drink dont drink who cares.

Re: Duck Dynasty promoting the sell of alcohol.

by dancingirl1 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:39 am

shava123 wrote: Do you believe in God?
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