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Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:47 am

Great post. [ugotmail]

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:45 am

mushroom wrote:
LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:45 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:45 am

mushroom wrote:
LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:45 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:44 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:44 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:43 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by mushroom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:43 am

LARams wrote:
Hartster wrote:For autopens, make a scan or a copy and overlay it with another scan or a copy (especially if the person doesn't sign your stuff, but sends out the same photo to everybody, but may be signed in a different spot.) If it's an autopen, there may be some variation if the machine shifts, but it'll match exactly.

Presidents, government officials and astronauts are the ones most likely to use the autopen.

For preprints, if the signature looks flat and there's no variation in strokes, no depth to the writing, then it's part of the photos. Studio Fan Mail sends out preprints, but others do too, especially if they don't sign your stuff but send you a "signed" photo anyway.

A lot of celebrities who don't sign authentically but send out a "signed" photo will send out a preprint, not an autopen (as you need a special machine.)

Presidents also are most likely to send out preprints or autopens but with a secretarial doing the dedication. Astronaut crew photos, too, have been spotted with autopenned signatures but an inscription in someone else's hand.

Gene Wilder was rumored to have used a secretary, particularly later on as he was getting ill. So is John Travolta, despite an address on his website asking fans to send fan mail to. Avery Brooks is another one; there's one key difference between his secretary and a genuine Brooks.
Thanks for the great post! I was looking for an answer like this :)

Re: How to discern PP, AP and authentic autographs?

by dancingirl1 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:35 am

Ohhh okay, I see.

The Shine Test:
(for autographs on shiny photo paper): Hold your autographed photo under a bright light so that a strong shine appears on the surface. Move the photo around. Examine how the image of the celebrity is no longer visible under the blinding shine spot. Now move the shine spot to the signature.

1. Does the signature blaze different colors? This is a good sign.
2. Does the signature disappear just like the photo image did? If so, it probably is a preprint (a printed copy of an autographed photo by the celebrity).
3. Does the signature remaine in the blinding shine but appear dull? This is probably a rubber stamp or autopen.

SIGNED PHOTOS: .. Observe how the ink blazes different colors under the light. The Ink is Over the Gloss of the Photo. The signature is still distinguishable under the shine and blazes and radiates different colors. Ink is like a high gloss paint. It is a shiny, reflective coating. Black, blue, purple, red, green inks will all shine differently on glossy paper but all become almost iridescent. Silver and Gold ink seem to have different qualities to them. This ink will still be apparent among a bright photo shine though won’t change colors as much but glitter more. The ink is real, not preprinted. If the photo is actually signed, go on to the next step to make sure they didn't use a secretary.

AUTOPENS: First off, autopenned signatures are usually of the same thickness and pressure throughout. Almost all of the autopen examples that are seen are shaky, which result from the movement of the machine. Unless the person whose autograph you want is known for being particularly nervous, I would think twice before sending to one of them. You can also look for "dots" from the pen/ marker lifting up from the machine. You can see these VERY easily with silver marker. Like the user above said this is done a lot with presidents and members of the government. Also the agency Spanky Taylor is VERY well known for using AP machines....FYI: Johnny Depp ==> (from that address.)

RUBBER STAMP AUTOGRAPH: have a dull look to them. They don't shine too nicely on glossy paper and they just have a lifeless look to them. Lifeless is a good description for them because they didn’t originate from a live hand. They didn’t flow from the hand of one you admire and transfer a piece of celebrity from hand to pen to paper, and I think that is the whole magic of autograph collecting. Rubber stamps are a dip in ink with a plate and apply. One motion. And that is why these autographs really stand out in my eyes. I don’t see all the little variations found in hand writing. No dots, no hesitation marks, no variation in pressure, no lines crossing over in a flow. Just a dull image made from one motion. I have seen some newer more elaborate rubber stamps. It looks like they are done in sections so it will appear like the lines are crossing over eachother making a weird looking print of unnatural pen line flow. Your eyes can’t follow the lines because the word flow make no liner sense. It is in sections and layers. Sometimes rubber stamps can have a textured, bumpy "GLOPPY" look to them and the lines are just a little or a lot too thick. Also they can smear a lot easier too. Not many stars do stamped autographs; just a handful.

SEC SIGNITURES: Celebrities have always had secretaries sign photos for them. Some secretarial signatures are so good even the experts have trouble telling the difference. Other examples are easier to tell. I have seen photos that contain both a secretarial inscription (“To what’s your face, Love,”) and a preprinted autograph of the celebrity. Some are notorious for having secs to their signing: Britney Spears.

Also IDK how much experience you have, but there is a site called "SFM" which means Studio Fan Mail and everything they send are pre prints. Just so you know.

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